
Here are some brain teasers based on actual scenarios. Can you solve by explaining why to each?
TNowicki won the first round. Can anyone unseat the champion?
Caution: these can be addictive, wait until you get home from work to read these—I am not responsible for lost work productivity!

I just thought this was a great example of stressed vegetation. I have already released this report but I would be curious to see how most would handle this? The stressed veg is on the subject property and obviously coming from an adjacent property.


Here are some brain teasers based on actual scenarios. Can you solve by explaining why to each? Caution: these can be addictive, wait until you get home from work to read these—I am not responsible for lost work productivity!
Thanks to all who participated. The winner is TNowicki with 18 points. See Round 2 for more Enviro-Riddle action!
I have a bank requesting a Phase I update for a property. An AAI was conducted for this site for them in 2007. They have forwarded me the prior report. From a legal perspective, can I utilize this report, scan and update any changes that have occurred and be confident as to its content? If not, what is required?


the case on this LIST reported on EDR states "contamination was left in place",cite classified as "inactive closure",agreement of land owner with DNR states future owners may be liable and "substances above state standards are present on the property". We may take ownership tomorrow by a deed. What should we do. I talked to consulant and they said the leaking tank was removed but contamination exsist under ground. Since the surface is clean the state closed the case. Will we have liability or since the loan was made prior to a EDR we did not have prior knowledge of the contamination.

Just wondering what everyone is doing for current (not historical) topos now? I have been using msrmaps/terraserver forever.

Governor Snyder Signs New Michigan Environmental Regulations Bill; Founders of PM Environmental Hail Revamped Environmental Policies as Boon to Business, Jobs & Economy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/01/idUS81323+01-May-2012+MW20120501
The Part 213 Leaking UST reform bills were signed by the governor yesterday. PM Environmental President Pete Bosanic was present at the signing and was photographed with the governor since the Michigan Petroleum Association (MPA)
spent so much time working on the bills. Mr. Bosanic serves as the Chair of MPA’s Environmental Issues Committee and is hopeful that the changes will allow leaking UST closures to happen again and estimates that +/-15 to 20% of open
leaking UST sites will be able to be closed without much more work.


Tired of long-winded messageboard rants?
Tired of having your ideas mocked or of someone getting personal?
Are your ears ringing from someone who uses ALL CAPS way too often to emphasize a point?
Finding it difficult to get good substantive ideas and info among all the messageboard clutter?
Not a problem in this group...
I have observed a number of open discussion groups that have had substantive discussions sidetracked by a number of elements. Some people are long-winded and seem unable to make succinct points. Some groups are open and get contributions from people of all sorts all over the world. It is interesting to hear from those in other countries commenting on environmental issues of concern to the U.S. People from outside the US often have a different level of education, understanding and culture and a very broad perspective. We can learn from them and should respect them. But this group is not for them. Some groups are frequented by product marketing people. Again, nothing is wrong with that. But this group is not for them. Some people have agendas (referring to the same thing in multiple posts) and suffer from professional envy and jealousy (I claim to be cured after suffering it for many years!). Message boards are a healthy way to vent. But this group is not for them either.
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The Iron Mountain Mine is a notorious Superfund site in northern California, mined between the 1880s and 1980s for iron, copper, gold, silver, and other materials. According to USGS, it's essentially one massive sulfate lump. Iron Mountain is the source of acid mine drainage that is the most acidic naturally-occurring water on the planet-- the recorded pH has been as low as -3.6, and is home to newly discovered strains of extremophile bacteria. The source of the AMD is rainwater and groundwater leaching sulfate and pyrite minerals. It was listed on CERCLA in 1983, a treatment plant for the AMD was brought online in 1984, all mining ceased in 1987, and an EPA settlement with the successor to the Mountain Copper Company pays for the treatment plant's upkeep.
That's where we leave normality and enter the Weird Zone. I wish Hunter S. Thompson was still alive to write about this.
One Mr. Ted Arman bought the 8,000-acre Iron Mountain property in 1977 and was understandably rather upset when the Superfund designation essentially left him unable to use or sell his property. Mr. Arman is also identified as a RP by reason of being a site owner and for several other reasons, and has been ruled liable for $26.9 million in federal response costs, plus $30.1 million in interest through fiscal 2009.
Mr. Arman and his partner and alleged co-owner, John Hutchens, have waged a fight against EPA that is part Bleak House, part Ayn Rand, and unfortunately more than a little Ruby Ridge, with a dash of Three Stooges thrown in for flavor. The court fight has gone on since 1987, with endless jailhouse-lawyer motions for reconsideration, arguments over the nuances of CERCLA, Fifth Amendment takings claims, demands that CERCLA be repealed outright as an unconstitutional ex post facto law, accusations of fraud on the court, accusations of piracy, 'sovereign citizen' rejections of EPA authority, arguments that environmentalism is a religion that the government cannot enforce, accusations that the judge was being controlled by witchcraft, appeals to principles of English common law and medieval charters, and the like. Some of their arguments are so demented that I can't follow them.
The duo's most recent moneymaking endeavor was to bottle mine drainage water and sell it to farmers as a soil amendment-- I'm not sure what nutritive value an acidic soup of heavy metals has for farmland. EPA promptly nixed the idea since the two couldn't provide a means to store and transport the material safely.
The colorful Mr. Hutchens, who claims the title of "Warden of the Gales, Forests, and Stannaries at Iron Mountain Mine," and who attempts to represent Mr. Arman in court despite not being a lawyer, has a rather lengthy record of anti-government activities, including numerous threats of violence against government officials, a claim that he was forming an armed militia of miners to defend his property rights and to assert the primacy of mining law, and the announcement that if the police attempted to prevent him from obtaining the water he wanted to sell, he would sieze it by force of arms.
The two have also spawned a host of bizarre organizations, including the Arman Mines Ministry of Natural Resources, the Arman Mines Hazard and Remediation Directorate, and the Church of Christ of the Freeminers.
In their support, Mr. Arman and Mr. Hutchens have invoked one of those odd little nuggets of historical...well, oddity... that could only happen in England, by claiming to be 'freeminers,' a term referring to persons with the hereditary right to dig for minerals anywhere on public or private property, churchyards excepted, in the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire. King Edward I of England granted the miners of the Dean iron and coalfields this right after they used their tunneling skills to help him capture the fortress of Berwick-on-Tweed in 1296.
The weird sure did go pro on this one. Should you wish to read it, their URL is iron mountain mine dot com (intentionally avoiding hotlinking).
I was wondering if anyone had experience with sites on which both PCBs and chlorinated benzene contaminants (e.g., 1,2,4 - trichlorobenzene) have been found and what unique circumstances were associated. These compound groups are both constituents of some dielectric fluids, such as Askarel. Were any degradation products associated with these contaminants? Did you observe significant mobility of PCBs as a result of this mixture? Any specific or unexpected safety concerns? Any additional compounds that were found or likely to be found (i.e. other components of these fluids)? Any associated contamination indicated by TPH analyses?
Thanks