, last edited January 19, 2012I am currently the Director of Business Development for LandQuest Title Group, located in Fort Wayne, Indiana. My background was banking; working as a commercial lender for a large financial institution for a number of years. During that time, I worked with my fair-share (usually to my loan's demise) of Phase I and Phase II ESA's.
I recently moved to the "other side" of the closing table with LandQuest Title. I was surprised to find that, one, Environmental Consulting Firms use title companies to pull 50 year COT's and/or Environmental Lien Searches on some of their Phase I's and two, that title companies, at least here locally, were not marketing their services to these Firms.
In fact, I found that Firms were often times receiving searches that were not up to title industry standards or that sometimes took two weeks to get back. Thus, LandQuest has put together Marketing and Pricing specifically for Environmental Consulting Firms.
I am curious to see, in other areas of the country, if Firms have "go-to" title companies that they work with? If so, is there anything additional that these title companies do to help your business? As the Director of Business Development for LandQuest, I feel this could potentially be a niche market for us. I'm curious as to any feedback anyone may have.
Thank you.
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Great niche market. I know we have struggled to find a title company to assist in our reports. We have even sent over all the information on exactly what is required and they just seem to drop the ball. I agree- title companies could market this industry and do well - but we have found none that are interested in the business so we went out and learned to do it on our own.
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For my part, the title search is a menu item that the client rarely orders. I make my clients aware that the title history is a requirement of AAI, but most choose to ignore it (and the lenders have never, in my experience, insisted on having it). So I hope you're successful, and I'll keep you in my Outlook, but unless the local market changes fundamentally, you'll probably never hear from me.
(To be honest, the lack of a title history is a data gap by definition, but I've never in 18 years doing Phase Is found anything in the title history that wasn't also evident based upon other lines of inquiry. So I don't typically call this out as being significant in identifying presence of RECs.)
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Curious what kind of pricing you're talking about? As others have said, the 50-year COT is typically treated as an add-on that clients rarely demand due to the high cost and low chance of finding something of environmental significances that would not have been identified through other standard sources.
An alternative to an expensive 50-year COT, might be a low-cost abstract of data that the title company already has in their databases. Can't you just type in a parcel number and pull 20-30 years of ownership history, a copy of the most recent deed, a parcel map, and building summary (date constructed, SF, etc.)?
If you could sell that package for $20 then I think you might see some significant intrest from the Phase 1 community. I've got an account with a title company right now where I can access this information and I use it all the time. But getting the account set up, and dealing with their customer service has been like pulling teeth because their business model does not make it easy to be a low volume customer.
Matt
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I appreciate these comments. As a lender, I looked at my fair share of Phase I's and never requested or noticed the additional search (if it was even there). So I was very surprised to discover that this was even used. The Environmental Consulting Firm that we work with was very honest in stating that they only use this option on 10% or so of their Phase I's. What LandQuest is offering now is basically the full blown COT and Search option. We honestly hadn't thought about offering the abstracting option through our databases. This is definitely something I will look into. If we can be more user-friendly and more cost-effective then it would make sense to offer this. Again, I appreciate the feedback. As we continue to look into this potential market, it is quite helpful to have tips from those that are actually doing the work and using the services.
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10% is probably even high based on my experience over the years. I'd guess less than 5%. The primary reason for that is the cost. $20-$30 can be absorbed into the cost of a standard ESA. $200-$300 cannot.
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My firm usually performs a search back to 1940 considering on what other data gaps are present. We have learned to do this on our own and we have never found anything that would not have been found through other resources other than deed restrictions and AULs. Just my thought.
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I guess it kind of depends on where you work. Back east it's usually not very difficult to do on your own. Out west it's usually not practical to do it on your own. Either way....you're not paying $300 for it.
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As a title search firm, we are familiar with this issue. We have worked with many environmental engineering companies in the past with environmental lien searches, and COT's. It is easy to see where the end-user client price resistance is a prohibitive factor in including a chain with an ESA. The language of the ASTM standard does seem to indicate that an ownership history is required, but not necessarily a formal chain of title search. Some environmental firms interpret it either way.
We have often provided a hybrid search product for environmental firms; an ownership history list. Not a full-blown chain of title derived from examining deed documents and vesting transfer, but not just a tax owner search either. It compiled data from a number of sources, listing names which appear to have been associated with the property during the specified time period. Sometimes this also includes tenant companies, which some clients find to be a benefit. For example, if "1250 Main Street, LLC" owned the property in 1975, it might not indicate any issue for the site assessment. But if a tenant is identified as "XYZ Refining", that could suggest more investigation. On a regular chain of title ownership search, the tenant would never show up.
I understand the cost issue, a fully abstracted, 50 year title search can be hundreds of dollars. On some complex commercial properties (which many Phase 1's are worked on), it can be even higher especially if there are splits or trust holding companies.
With ESA price ranges around $1000, I don't know how you guys can get it all done, hats off to you for that.
Depending on how strictly the ASTM standard and AAI wording is interpreted, a reasonable person could conclude that the ownership information could come from the owner, and another could conclude that a full-blown abstracted search from deed examination is needed. For those environmental professionals who want to include a COT but don't have the budget, it is possible to do it yourself.
Title searching is tedious, and requires attention to detail, but it is intuitive. If you build some time in your schedule for 3 - 4 hours in the records room, you can certainly get the info. I would recommend against trying to search online, even using the counties own website. The electronic records are often inaccurate, and missing some info.
Title insurers, and other professionals who have to "put there money where there mouth is" based on a title search do not allow the use of electronic records for that reason. Your call, but it is a risk.
Let me know if I can help with any advice on the subject.
Dave Pelligrinelli
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A COT is a requirement, and at my company, we always provide this service when performing a Phase I ESA. I'm shocked that so many companies perform Phase I's without adhering to the ASTM guidelines. We do not look at it as an "option" it is simply part of the process.
I do the COT myself. I do not use title companies. I have seen them in action in the deed book rooms. Terribly unprofessional to say the least. (I could tell you horror stories, but I will stick to the topic).
I've done hundreds and hundreds of Phase I ESA's during my career, all over the country. Basically, what they look for seems to be a clear title histoy-making sure someone's great-great-grand nephew that got left out of the will doesn't come out of the woodwork to claim he owns the property in question. I asked a few of the title researchers what they do if they find an environmental lien and none of them had any idea what I was even talking about!
For most properties, it takes me only an hour or two at the county courthouse to search back to the early 1900's. Since I need to travel to the site to do the site investigation, I plan on doing the COT while in the area.
I have found "suspicious" owners such as oil companies back in the 1930's on properties that otherwise look completely without any environmental concerns. I have also found environmental liens that were not correctly carried with all future deed transfers. That led to modern property owners not knowing that an environmental lien had been placed on their property several owners ago. That happens occasionally when a property is transfered several times in a short time frame.
If a title company offered this service, I would be wary. The ones I have seen in action so far, at least. If a title company specialized in the type of service that we need, including a full COT and a search for environmental liens, I might give them a try, but I would double-check their data the first few times I used them.
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Hello! If you have a specific reference (section number) in the ASTM standard or AAI rule that requires a COT, that would be helpful information. I understand that searching for environmental liens/AULs is required, as is documenting ownership history, but I did not yet find a reference to the COT requirement.
Section 5.4 of ASTM states that "AUL information is contained in the restrictions of record on the title, rather than a typical chain of title [COT]. Chain of title will not provide information regarding restrictions on title such as restrictive covenants, easements, or other types of AULs. Some AULs are maintained on a state IC or EC Registry and may not be recorded in land title records." It goes on to say that this is especially true in regions where a local agency has been delegated regulatory authority over environmental programs (such as in our locality, San Diego).
Section 6.2 of ASTM states that the user should review (or add to EP's scope) reasonably ascertainable recorded land title records and lien records for environmental liens or AULs. However, it does not state a full COT is required.
In my experience with conducting Phase I's and reviewing many other Phase I's with our local competitors, it is not standard of care in our region to undertake a full COT. If one is provided, we will review. Alternatively we will document a data gap if the user does not search for AULs/liens or provide title documentation. This usually is not a significant data gap.
Thank you!
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We've found AUL's in a few other unusual places, such as zoning records, and occupational licensing boards.
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1. A COT is not a requirement, as a closer look at Section 6 of the Standard will make clear. Land title records need to be searched for environmental liens and AULs only. (But see commentary below on Section 8.3.)
2. In any event, the search of land title records for liens and AULs is a User responsibility. Don't criticize firms for abstaining from activities that the Standard actually requires of others.
3. What does the Standard require? Keeping in mind that title history is one of eight identified standard historic use information sources, it requires "... reviewing only as many of the standard historical sources in 8.3.4.1 through 8.3.4.8 as are necessary and both reasonably ascertainable and likely to be useful ..." So if you have a good understanding of historic use without slogging through title records, you're set. Personally, I've found title records to be misleading more often than not; ownership by private individuals has in many cases hidden industrial activity, and chemical companies have owned many sites that were used for nothing more dastardly than housing sales offices.
If your client requires of you that you conduct this search, fine; excellent service is all about giving the clients what they need and want. You may, though, want to be a bit more circumspect before you accuse others of "failing to adhere to standards" or being "terribly unprofessional."
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Ms. Myers:
I think there is a bit more involved in a COT than what is helpful for the Phase I process. I'm not a Title Search professional, so somebody with more expertise can correct me if I am wrong.
I always do an ownership history at the Register of Deeds on my own. That said, the ASTM does not require it. It is rather one of the several options listed for historical use information. In fact, if you use it, you must supplement it with another source (it cannot be the only source). Here is part of the appropriate ASTM section:
8.3 Historical Use Information:
8.3.1 Objective—The objective of consulting historical sources is to develop a history of the previous uses of the property and surrounding area, in order to help identify the likelihood of past uses having led to recognized environmental conditions in connection with the property.
8.3.2 Uses of the Property—All obvious uses of the property shall be identified from the present, back to the property’s first developed use, or back to 1940, whichever is earlier. This task requires reviewing only as many of the standard historical sources in 8.3.4.1 through 8.3.4.8 as are necessary and both reasonably ascertainable and likely to b useful (as described under Data Failure in 8.3.2.3). For example, if the property was developed in the 1700s, it might be feasible to identify uses back to the early 1900s, using sources such as fire insurance maps or USGS topographic maps (or equivalent). Although other sources such as recorded land title records might go back to the 1700s, it would not be required to review them unless they were both reasonably ascertainable and likely to be useful.
Thanks for bringing up this important topic. I think it could make interesting discussion. I'm interested in knowing this. Aside from finding that XY Oil Company owned the property in the 30's (which I have also seen), how often do you find information from this source that actually rises to the level of being helpfull? Give me some examples, I am not often helped by this source. I do it, but I could use some real world encouragement that it sometimes pays off big.
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Joshua, I agree with your assessment of the optional nature of land title record searches. That being said, I've assessed a lot of properties in rural areas with very limited historical record sources. In those instances, the COT became required, like it or not. I routinely do the COT myself but I sure wish I could say that it only took an hour. I can't say that I can offer a lot of encouragement, but I have had similar success stories including one where no REC's were discovered by any means until the COT revealed the presence of an XYZ Oil Company decades back. For some reason, that caused interviewees to "increase disclosure" over the partial truths they offered before. It was the story I always shared when training new support staff to show them the value of COT's when other historical records weren't sufficient.
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Great topic, refreshing candor.
I concur that title information is a) the responsibility of the user, b) not absolutely required by the standard, and c) usually not helpful and sometimes misleading. I have done many of them myself - I was taught how to do them years ago in the Register of Deeds' Office, and it is called a "Grantor-Grantee Index Search".
Usually if you do see a railroad or an oil company etc, it was a mineral right or easement of some sort. Often they were speculative and never amounted to anything more than an obscure piece of paper in a filing cabinet. And it us usually pretty easy to corroborate as to whether any physical manifestation of that paper ever materialized.
Most real estate transactions already have some form of title work being ordered, and we ask for it and place the responsibility on the user, where it belongs. If they want us to provide and review title work beyond that, we're happy to do so, but it costs money, and as mentioned here by plenty of others, pricing pressure forces any extras to be add-on costs only.
We would only suggest it be done if we had other information that gave us reason to believe that there was a potential REC - and - that title work was the appropriate form of corroboration for that.
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Also, I agree with MattF - if there was some form of title product that had any value for our purpose whatsoever, and it was available in the $20 range, I would probably be interested in hearing more about it.
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MaxEng
I said that the title searchers I have seen in action in my area are unprofessional.
I never said that others conducting Phase I reports are unprofessional.
As to the COT--I misspoke there. I called it a chain of title. I meant to say I do my own property ownership history/deed search/search for liens, AUL's, etc. . .
8.2.2 Additional Environmental Record Sources--To enhance and supplement the standard environmental record sources in 8.2.1, local records and/or additional state or tribal records shall be checked when, in the judgement of the EP, such records are . . . .
it goes on to list many, one of which is Local Land Records (for activity and use limitations)
Here in OH and the surrounding states where I do business, these are recorded with the deeds and/or official records at the court house.
8.3.2 Uses of the Property-All obvious uses of the property shall be identified from the present, back to the property's first developed use, or back to 1940, whichever is earlier. . . . .
yes, it goes on to say only as many sources are necessary and reasonable ascertainable. Since the AULs, engineering controls, etc. are listed with the deeds here, it is necessary to do a deed search.
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Chris, regardless of whether you're discussing environmental professionals or real estate professionals such as title searchers, my comments stand. I'm sure it's possible to find irresponsible people in most professions; I'm aware of a couple of EPs who are doing hard felony prison time right now. Doesn't mean EPs are, as a group, "unprofessional." The same could be said of people in title-search firms, who by and large are honest hard-working folk trying to make a living the best they can.
With respect to the "necessity" of doing a title search, you are projecting the need to identify AULs (which is a User requirement) onto the EP. Once again, you imply that it is a responsibility of the EP to conduct a title search, and it just isn't. Again, if your clients expect this service of you and you choose to provide it, more power to you; if they don't expect it, it's still admirable of you to provide some lagniappe if your firm can afford it. But please don't imply that those of us who do not conduct a title search in doing a Phase I are somehow not meeting the Standard.
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You have an excellent vocabulary. First "flummoxed" now "lagniappe;" Your proclivity to the art of rhetoric is laudable.
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Blame it on all the pulp fiction I read during my wasted youth. (lol)
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loved that movie
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great comments thanks to all
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